It's really a sad fact that I had to admit this.

Ever since the COVID-19 lockdown, many people stayed in home and do interactions with other people online. This however, doesn't mean toxicity in car communities lower down, in fact, it just got even worse than once before the lockdown.

Apparently if you had any issues/problems with someone, it's better that you solve it calmly and peacefully right? But most of the people on the Indonesian car community did in what they so call 'the coolest way' (although I would say that it's not cool). Once I've finished solving a problem calmly and peacefully with someone, some random people just came and write attacks and rile up the target for no apparent reason. And then they will extend it to commit the worst actions you can do in the car community.

- Using inappropiate words (also offensive words and curses do count)
- Mass spamming
- Bullying
- Harassing
- Threatening
- Mass reporting random people's posts for no reason.
- Provocations

And as I said, most of them will sometimes take it too far by doing criminal acts to their target. Hacking, threatening physical violence, doxxing people, spying, tracking, etc. It's really not a way to solve a problem, it just make the problem worse.

Even many of my friends started to become toxic, and you can guess who trigger that. Bad people. Sadly, I have to admit, most of Indonesian car communities were one of the shittiest and the worst car communities I ever saw due to the easily-triggered people, generally rude people and their hobby to start a fight in order to finish a problem. Even Malaysian car communities were much better and even the US ones were far better than Indonesians despite known to be hard and strict to other people.

And also.

Although I've known to not to share pages/groups anymore, this one's definitely a must, because of its notoriety.

Celotehan Empat Grup
Celotehan Empat Roda

They're one of the biggest car-related pages in Indonesia, but was also the most notorious toxic one in Indonesia. JCH ga ijin adventure (Facebook) and jchbizarreadventure (IG) was not posted here because it's basically C4R creations in a nutshell.

Their notorious, aggressive actions were not only done to me, but they also did it to some other people. Examples including accusing IG user wheelsaroundme publicly as a sex offender, stealing pictures and re-uploading it without the original owner's consent/permission since half a decade ago, siding with notorious Indonesian Reporting Comission Group to wipe out innocent car communities that they mark as 'hated' (the 'hated' car communities doesn't have to do something that hurts C4R's feelings to be wiped out), and many more that were undetected. But the most obviously notorious one would be to me, due to the extremely large-scale attacks they did.

If you had problems/issues with someone, it's always better that you solve them in peace, right? That's what happened when I got some minor issues with someone, and case has been closed since we had a deal in peace, and in fact that I had apologized since I did something wrong too. But not for these guys.

No offence, but now we had the notorious GH and friends group too.

They are probably what one can call as the most notorious gang now. It was filled with bad, professional black hat hackers that were so notorious on the kinds of attacks they did. They also had connections with some anonymous Russian hackers and The Lazarus Group (the group behind the WannaCry Ransomware Attack).

When Celotehan Empat Roda and Celotehan Empat Grup only do normal bad stuffs on social media like bullying/harassing certain people and siding with IRC to take down pages they disliked, GH and friends were very notorious for taking things way too far, ranging from hacking, mass hoaxing (spreading lies on a mass scale), mass terror, mass spamming, DDOS, to even ATTEMPTED MURDER to the person they hate the most! The most grueling thing is that GH & friends now carry attacks nearly everyday since the COVID-19 lockdown. When Celotehan Empat Roda and Celotehan Empat Grup only do bad stuffs in the car world, GH and friends do it on almost everything that they can find, these includes the gaming world, campus world, education world. and so on. This kind of attacks makes Celotehan Empat Roda and Celotehan Empat Grup looks like they had a cruelty level of just 1.

The worst scenario is that they always use fake accounts and fake IPs when carrying out all the attacks (GH had a bot farm), so they cannot be tracked/detected. Also, after further investigations, they're the people that were responsible for all the previous attacks mentioned on this group, other than Celotehan Empat Roda and jchbizarreadventure.

Recently, they also did one of the most controversial stuff that one sane person would ever did. One of the GH & friends group members spreads a hoax globally accusing me of associating with and distributing pornography, a thing that I actually never know, let alone being associated with it.

Gladly the suspect who did that had been arrested.

Also, the cybercrime fighters division is currently starting to track their moves. They told me that if their identity had been known they will capture them ASAP. In the meantime, the cybercrime fighters division were still finding proofs and leads until they found out GH & friends' members real identities.

Seriously, this is not just plain toxicity anymore. This is just way too much and too far. Tbh, I've never seen anyone who's as insane as GH and friends in real life.

Why don't you stop whining

If you don't want to hear from certain people than just ignore it. Stop being a jerk.

You had a history of being banned before, don't make the admins ban you again.

Wow, you're still here geraldmay. Don't you have better things to do?? :)

Don't forget the drama started by some scumbag today.

He started yelling "HAVE YOU GOT PERMISSION TO SPOT THIS YOU F***ING A****OLE!?!?!?!?!?" to me today, when spotting ON A PUBLIC PLACE.

Truly barbaric, impolite and cringy at the same time.

Not enough being called as barbaric, impolite and cringy, he also took it too far by spreading his 'wrath' on social media. Facebook, Instagram, Whatsapp and many others.

This same group now classify my other spot as 'sneaking' and 'taken without permission'. The BMW M4 G82 Competition spot to be exact.

Yeah, a spot taken in public of all places were classified as that.

And thirdly, this group also reported ALL of my Instagram posts, with the report marked as the same reasons above.

This is just getting too far.

can't you just block them on Instagram?

I don't know what things are like where you live, and I don't want to sound like a jerk, but there is one constant among all of the drama with your spotting adventures...

Are there people out there who take exception to car spotters? Yes. Have we all encountered someone like that? Probably. However, those are the extreme exception for literally everyone on the site except you, and I can't help but wonder if there are things going on that have not been mentioned here.

Agreed.

They were already blocked by me.

But often, as I said, certain people would just got too far even by creating fake accounts (or sockpuppet accounts as me and my friends call it) to harass their victim. Sometimes, the number of fake accounts they created were beyond a person's control.

As I like to call it: 'You block one, multiple clones of them will start to appear.'

Even ignoring them doesn't work, they will continue the war until said victim is dead. That's how dangerous they had become.

Sadly, this is the truth now. You might have not heard about certain people that (sadly) had considered Indonesian netizens to be among one of the worst-behaving netizens in the world, with their love of 'barbaric' behavior and their love of dramas/fights on social media.

Yes, there are exceptions, however what this group do is considered way beyond the normal limits. They were noted to be among one of the groups that had took things way too far. There were lots of very bad things that haven't been mentioned here, including that several times I've heard they had planned a murder (using threats) to their victims. I mean seriously, murder.

And to make matters worse, this group was noted to 'force' people to do what they want, often with threats of their reputation being destroyed, being physically harmed IRL, etc. They were so notorious, even the cybercrime division already labeled them as 'ISIS of the Indonesian automotive world'.

Even the group's defectors/former members had considered them going too far. So does various Indonesian automotive journalists.

I think my comment went right over your head....